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Joined-up government no joke in Wales

Friday, August 15, 2008

The UK government could learn a lot about cooperation and partnership by studying how the Welsh Assembly goes about its business, Dame Gill Morgan tells Alison Thomas

Though parts of Whitehall may still be struggling with the concept, Wales really is another country. They do things differently there. And for Dame Gill Morgan, the new Welsh Assembly Government permanent secretary, its distinctiveness is summed up as hwyl – a word perhaps best translated as a combination of spirit, zest and enthusiasm.

In Wales, geography, history and social tradition combine to give the opportunity of creating a distinctive system of governance, says Dame Gill, former NHS Confederation chief executive, who also sat on the Beecham Review, which examined the functioning of the assembly and Welsh local government and their relationship to the wider public sector.

The ambition of that mandate was inspiring, she says. "It asked us to take into account all the organisations that have to be involved in the governance of a small country and how we put it together in a way that really gets the maximum benefit.

"The key issues included how we work together effectively across and within organisations to get more bang for the buck, how a small country creates an enterprising and innovative public sector which crosses organisational boundaries, with the aspiration to improve, and how we know what we are achieving, measure success and performance and communicate that to the citizen.

"The breadth of the ambition together with the enormity of the opportunity is why I am here, and it’s exciting. We really do have the opportunity to make Wales a beacon of success in terms of how you govern countries."

And in governance, small can be beautiful, says Dame Gill, who was born in the Rhondda Valley.

"We all tend know each other, which is an advantage because effective partnerships depend on how you know people, in how many different contexts; also we are very close to what delivery is. The citizens who are affected by what goes on in the assembly government are our friends, our families and we are very tied into what it feels like to be a citizen in this country. So getting the best out of that connectivity is a real opportunity."

Partnerships have to be chosen with care, however. "Too many partnerships can become talking shops," she says. "We need to use partnership for those wicked issues that cross organisational boundaries and that can only be solved by putting people in a room to think differently and think across boundaries. The assembly govern ment has a key role in helping identify what those issues are but also in helping to set the standards and the expectations that enable people to come together and enable them to deliver in a transparent way."

Coalition government in Wales also involves a new partnership approach, which Dame Gill says is proving "a very positive experience".

"There is clarity about the agenda that the parties have signed up to and mutual com-mitment to delivering that agenda. I have sensed a willingness to solve problems and there is some real learning coming out that I think is about political maturity.

"Because of its political nature, its population, its scale, Wales has to be based on partnerships. We don’t have enormous amounts of money to throw at having duplicated systems and processes so we have to live the mantra of connectivity and actually make it hap-pen in reality – and that starts at the top with the coalition."

Though the current model of 22 unitary councils in Wales has been criticised for producing some very small local authorities, and consultation is under way on consolidating the 22 local health boards into eight bigger bodies, Dame Gill says there is no magic size of organisation to get results.

"I think we worry about size far too much," she says. "If you are small then your task is to work collectively, to keep costs down, to get economies of scale, and look at sharing. If you are large, the first question is how do you work locally? If you are small you have more emphasis on collective action, if you are large you have more emphasis on getting local action, and the search for the perfect size or the perfect scale can be the enemy of actually delivering effective public services."

There’s a lot to be said for working with what you’ve got unless there is a very good reason to change, she argues.

Is this a lesson from her days of grappling with constant reorganisation in the English NHS? She replies with the diplomacy of a civil servant: "The two countries are starting around health and a lot of other things from a different philosophical base. You have to make sure that the underlying principles are appropriate to the place you are serving and Wales is a very different place, in terms of its geography and history, from England. It has a much stronger history of social solidarity and policies have to resonate with those cultural differences."

Also, the English emphasis on competition and choice simply doesn’t work in much of Wales because of the geographical barriers to exercising that choice, she points out.

She concedes that there are lessons – or warn-ings – from England, in health and other sectors, about the pitfalls of frequent structural change, and "what not to do" on target setting.

"You can distort activity by being unsophisticated in how you set and use targets and Wales has avoided some of those mistakes. On the other hand, there are also are some good lessons from England on how information can be shared with citizens and make them feel more empowered and influential."

But Wales has plenty to be proud of in the way it is tackling issues such as regeneration and entrenched problems of social deprivation and poor health, she argues. "There are things we are doing that people in England should be running down to see, because actually we can knock the best in England into a cocked hat. I have never seen anything as good as some of the community development programmes, the work around regeneration – not just in terms of the buildings, but regenerating the spirit, the hwyl, of the community.

"We have real strengths here of which we can be proud and one of the frustrations of coming here and seeing so much excellence is that people aren’t trotting across the border to have a look at it. Part of the challenge is about how we shout about our successes. As a nation I think we are perhaps too diffident and too much influenced by the more in-your-face English attitude. We ought to be talking about our excellence much more."

As a former GP, hospital physician and director of public health, Dame Gill says she sees her new job as being about creating a healthy society in the broadest sense.

"That’s about raising aspirations and expectations, education and skills, good jobs, good quality health services, transport and a wonderful environment all coming together so that people can live healthy and fulfilling lives. And that’s what Wales can do, deliver, feel and see much more immediately than you would in England. What makes Wales special and unique is that all those things that come together around communities can be influenced from here. Therefore the onus is on us in a way that it isn’t on any other government to really make joining up and working together succeed. In England joined-up government has always been, certainly within the health service, a slight joke. In Wales there is nothing else.

"We have to capitalise on our ability to join up, and the excitement of that for the civil service and the public service in Wales is just enormous. We can get that connectivity; we can really tackle the problems that are almost insoluble for other parts of the country. For us, they are within our grasp. I don’t know what the solution is today, but I know that around this organisation there are people who do, and I know that they can get into the same office and sort it, whereas you would be completely lost if you were sitting in Whitehall."
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"The UK Government could learn a lot about co-operation and partnership by studying how the Welsh Assembly goes about its business" and "actually we can knock the best in England into a cocked hat".

Spot the false comparison? What the Welsh Assembly does in Wales is compared with what the UK Government (not the English Government) does in England.

Give the English their own Parliament or, at the very least, exclude Scottish, Welsh and Northern Irish MPs from English domestic matters, then let us see who does best.
James Matthews - England

This is a very oddly worded article. Its oddities are summed up in the phrase "In England joined-up government has always been, certainly within the health service, a slight joke". From the article, anyone would think there was an English government. There is not, because there is no national assembly to match the Welsh Assembly. The health service in England is controlled by the British parliament, and the English have no power to put a special English stamp on their health service, or anything else.
IM Archer - Alton, England.

Arrogant, ignorant bitch. She must surely be aware that the English NHS is run by the British government - headed by a Scottish MP and the purse strings controlled by another Scottish MP.

She says, "As a nation I think we are perhaps too diffident and too much influenced by the more in-your-face English attitude. "

Well as a nation, England is fed up with that in-your-business and in-your-pockets Welsh attitude.

Good riddance, but take your bloody politicians with you. We're sick to death (literally) of your meddiling.
Helen Taylor - Yorkshire, England

As Gill says, Wales is 'another country'. So is England. She recommends the experience of coalition government. Unfortunately that is not on offer in England which is ruled by the UK Govt, including MPs from outside England, all elected on a first-past-the-post winner-takes-all basis. I've never come accross an 'in your face' English attitude - the English fall over themselves not to get in anyone's face. Good luck to Wales. I wish England had the same freedom to run its own affairs.
Ian Campbell - W Horsley England and Tiree Scotland

It seems that they do not do some things quite so differently. The Taxpayers Alliance has just put out the following:
"This week the full breakdown of expenses for Welsh Assembly Members was published for the first time. Some examples were £2,000 claimed for a sofa, £1,000 for a TV and £2 for a glass bowl. Eight AMs claimed the maximum £12,500 available for second home expenses. "
Over to you, Gill.


Ian Campbell

Do you know what, I wish England had it's own Parliament too, but I'm not going to be putting my views across in a rude and perhaps xenophobic way. They should have their own Parliament ran by English MPs. I totally agree that Welsh, Scottiush, Northern Irish and one day, Cornish MPs should not get a say on English issues. We are all different nations and the sooner we split the better. It does annoy when some people state they hate being controlled by a non-English MP, when throughout history the Celts have more or less been forced to be controlled by someone who is not from their land. Ireland, Wales and Cornwall was conquered and Scotland only joined a union because of their king, not their people. It's time for a change, as many countries around the world is realising. All the countries that were in the Empire are mostly independent, the Yugoslavian nations split, the USSR split and they are doing much better on their own then they were in their unions.
Iago - Pontypridd, Cymru (Wales, the Republic of)

Perhaps if English taxpayers did not have to foot the bill for the Welsh assembly and their snouts in the trough AM's,the English could have the socialised utopia that Wales is enjoying.

"There are things we are doing that people in England should be running down to see, because actually we can knock the best in England into a cocked hat"

Gill Morgan was part of the problem for England when she was former NHS Confederation chief executive(for England).

Welsh MP's were the deciding factor in England having competition and trusts forced on them against the wishes of the majority of English MP's.

I am looking forward to Welsh Independence.
K Young - Durham England

This article by Gill Morgan is at odds with her letter in the Daily Telegraph jan 4 2008 where she says

"Health service variety

Sir - Variations in health systems across the UK do not amount to "health apartheid" (report, January 3). To compare differences that are a natural product of devolution to systematic racial discrimination and the oppression of human rights is misleading.

Health services across Britain share the same values - to provide universal healthcare that is free at the point of use - and strive to provide the highest quality of care.

Different countries have developed different models in order to achieve these goals, and local trusts in England set their own priorities and provide healthcare that is appropriate to their own population.

Such difference is not tantamount to a system of racial segregation. Nor are English patients receiving worse care. We have had the greatest success in reducing waiting lists and offering patient choice, as Scotland, Northern Ireland and Wales have excelled in other areas.

Dame Gill Morgan, NHS Confederation, London SW1

So which is it ?
tally - Preston England