"it will be as secure as a military database" Now that makes me realy scared. I know of of an incident where a terminal to a military database giving the exact worldwide location of all army resources was inadverantly put on an unsecured WiFi.
the dude - Weymouth
The main reason why people are so sceptical about the reasons for the ID card is that the reasons so far given have been such crap, such transparent and unsupportable rubbish that one is forced into the conclusion that we are either being lied to or the originators are complete fools incapable of critical thought.
The Dude, again - Weymouth
I would welcome a closely argued justification but so far we have had no more than sound byte level vague statements. If Meg Hillier has the capability I am sure a good paper like the Indi would be more than happy to give her a whole page. But no more sound bytes please, if you make an assertion justify it, say how the benefit will be achieved, no more crap. I makes me so mad when the bunch of idiots that make up this benighted Government think we are as stupid as them.
The Dude, again - Weymouth
I read that Obama is going to largely abandon the Read ID act. If the Americans feal that the benefits of their much smaller scheme do not justify the cost why do we think that our much more expensive much more intrusive, and much less useful ID card does.
The Dude, again - Weymouth
So: "Hillier added that there will be no opportunity – not even for the police – to "fish around the register, it will be as secure as a military database"".
Well, that's not what Tony Blair (remember him?) said.
Back in 2007, he publicly stated, regarding fingerprint biometrics on the NIR:
"They will be able, for example, to compare the fingerprints found at the scene of some 900,000 unsolved crimes against the information held on the register." see:
www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/02/20/nidcards20.xml
To illustrate just how dangerous that is - paragraph 170 of the Home Affairs Select Committee Report on ID cards - www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200304/cmselect/cmhaff/130/13007.htm#a28
states: "The National Physical Laboratory's feasibility study noted that in one-to-one checks good fingerprint systems were able to achieve a false match rate of 1 in 100,000".
With a projected 60 Million people on the NIR and with a false match rate of 1 in 100,000, we can expect about 600 false matches every time it is scanned for a fingerprint.
Now, if the 900,000 crime scene prints that Blair mentioned are compared against the NIR, this will result in 600 x 900,000 = 540 million false matches.
Since there are only 60 million people on the register, this means that everyone on the register will (on average) match with the prints found at 9 of those crime scenes.
The plain fact is that, for databases of 60 million people, fingerprint biometrics are completely unfit for purpose.
Brian Drury - London Colney
Originally the suggestion was that ID cards would be an aid to combat terroism. However, given that illegal immigration and road tax evaders cannot (for whatever reasons) be effectually "policed" and controlled; it just means more restrictions on the law abiding whilst having no effect on law breakers. Another quick fix to make it look as if something is being tackled when it is not.
JAC - Warrington